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David26

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:09 pm
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I'd like to fine out just how much fuel my vehicles use when idling.

I have a Chevy Van with the vortec 6 liter V8 and a pickup with the
Duramax Diesel. Both are 2005 models.

Does anyone know where I can get info on idling fuel usage?

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Martin Riddle

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:04 am
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<David> wrote in message
| I'd like to fine out just how much fuel my vehicles use when idling.
|
| I have a Chevy Van with the vortec 6 liter V8 and a pickup with the
| Duramax Diesel. Both are 2005 models.
|
| Does anyone know where I can get info on idling fuel usage?
|
1/2 gal per hour?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:49 am
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David turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> I'd like to fine out just how much fuel my vehicles use when idling.
>
> I have a Chevy Van with the vortec 6 liter V8 and a pickup with the
> Duramax Diesel. Both are 2005 models.
>
> Does anyone know where I can get info on idling fuel usage?


Are you driving them both at teh same time?


(sorry, couldn't resist!)

I've seen information out there - but I forget where - that calculates the
fuel consumption at x RPM for a given sized engine.

Your 6.0 Vortec will use slightly less fuel at idle than your 6.6 L Duramax,
obviously.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:13 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:49:11 -0700, PerfectReign
wrote:

>David turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>
>> I'd like to fine out just how much fuel my vehicles use when idling.
>>
>> I have a Chevy Van with the vortec 6 liter V8 and a pickup with the
>> Duramax Diesel. Both are 2005 models.
>>
>> Does anyone know where I can get info on idling fuel usage?
>
>
>Are you driving them both at teh same time?
>
>
>(sorry, couldn't resist!)
>
>I've seen information out there - but I forget where - that calculates the
>fuel consumption at x RPM for a given sized engine.
>
>Your 6.0 Vortec will use slightly less fuel at idle than your 6.6 L Duramax,
>obviously.

You've never seen someone drive two vehicles at once? Its astounding!

I know the Duramax has a larger displacement, but I thought the
Duramax would have less fuel usage at idle because its a diesel & the
Vortec is a gas engine. The Duramax does get nearly twice the
miles/gallon that the Vortec does under similar conditions when being
driven.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:13 pm
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David turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:


>>Your 6.0 Vortec will use slightly less fuel at idle than your 6.6 L
>>Duramax, obviously.
>
> You've never seen someone drive two vehicles at once? Its astounding!

Need to watch bullit again...


>
> I know the Duramax has a larger displacement, but I thought the
> Duramax would have less fuel usage at idle because its a diesel & the
> Vortec is a gas engine. The Duramax does get nearly twice the
> miles/gallon that the Vortec does under similar conditions when being
> driven.


Having done a ton of research on diesels - and wanting a duramax (or even
the future mini-duramax 4.5L) in my Avalanche - I know that the difference
comes from a few factors. (I'm seriously considering buying a used
Mercedes 300d or 300sd for commuting purposes.)

First, diesel fuel has more energy per volume than does gas. (At least it
did before ULSD fuel.) Therefore you need less of it to create the same
amount of torque to push your cylinders up and down.

Second, because the torque curve is lower, you need less RPMs to move the
vehicle forward than you would with gas.

However, at idle, I don't know if there is any difference.


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David26

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:15 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:32:11 -0700, PerfectReign
wrote:

>David turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>
>
>>>Your 6.0 Vortec will use slightly less fuel at idle than your 6.6 L
>>>Duramax, obviously.
>>
>> You've never seen someone drive two vehicles at once? Its astounding!
>
>Need to watch bullit again...
>
>
>>
>> I know the Duramax has a larger displacement, but I thought the
>> Duramax would have less fuel usage at idle because its a diesel & the
>> Vortec is a gas engine. The Duramax does get nearly twice the
>> miles/gallon that the Vortec does under similar conditions when being
>> driven.
>
>
>Having done a ton of research on diesels - and wanting a duramax (or even
>the future mini-duramax 4.5L) in my Avalanche - I know that the difference
>comes from a few factors. (I'm seriously considering buying a used
>Mercedes 300d or 300sd for commuting purposes.)
>
>First, diesel fuel has more energy per volume than does gas. (At least it
>did before ULSD fuel.) Therefore you need less of it to create the same
>amount of torque to push your cylinders up and down.
>
>Second, because the torque curve is lower, you need less RPMs to move the
>vehicle forward than you would with gas.
>
>However, at idle, I don't know if there is any difference.

I have not noticed a significant drop in mpg since ULSD fuel appeared
on the market.

I don't know for sure what idle fuel usage is. I have heard rumors
that Class 8 trucks (big over the road rigs) will burn a couple of
gallons idling overnight. I have no idea if this is true or not.

The original reason for my post was to find out if there are any
reasearch studies, surveys, etc. that document idling fuel usage. This
information might come from the feds, from vehicle manufacturers,
private individuals, etc.

I would like to know if anyone has any verifiable idling uysage info
or knows where I might find it?
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BigIronRam

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:36 pm
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"David" wrote in message
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:32:11 -0700, PerfectReign
> wrote:
>
>>David turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Your 6.0 Vortec will use slightly less fuel at idle than your 6.6 L
>>>>Duramax, obviously.
>>>
>>> You've never seen someone drive two vehicles at once? Its astounding!
>>
>>Need to watch bullit again...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I know the Duramax has a larger displacement, but I thought the
>>> Duramax would have less fuel usage at idle because its a diesel & the
>>> Vortec is a gas engine. The Duramax does get nearly twice the
>>> miles/gallon that the Vortec does under similar conditions when being
>>> driven.
>>
>>
>>Having done a ton of research on diesels - and wanting a duramax (or even
>>the future mini-duramax 4.5L) in my Avalanche - I know that the difference
>>comes from a few factors. (I'm seriously considering buying a used
>>Mercedes 300d or 300sd for commuting purposes.)
>>
>>First, diesel fuel has more energy per volume than does gas. (At least it
>>did before ULSD fuel.) Therefore you need less of it to create the same
>>amount of torque to push your cylinders up and down.
>>
>>Second, because the torque curve is lower, you need less RPMs to move the
>>vehicle forward than you would with gas.
>>
>>However, at idle, I don't know if there is any difference.
>
> I have not noticed a significant drop in mpg since ULSD fuel appeared
> on the market.
>
> I don't know for sure what idle fuel usage is. I have heard rumors
> that Class 8 trucks (big over the road rigs) will burn a couple of
> gallons idling overnight. I have no idea if this is true or not.
>
> The original reason for my post was to find out if there are any
> reasearch studies, surveys, etc. that document idling fuel usage. This
> information might come from the feds, from vehicle manufacturers,
> private individuals, etc.
>
> I would like to know if anyone has any verifiable idling uysage info
> or knows where I might find it?

I have Cummins and have had a Cat. The small "B" series (5.9l) Cummins and
the Cat 3126 (7.2l) each used around 3 gallons per night of idling,
confirmed by evening and morning fillups. Diesels idle at about an 80:1
air/fuel ratio. Gas engines 12:1? I did idle a 350 Chevy van overnight and
noticed the gauge dropped from 1/4 tank to below empty, never tried that
again.
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ALCOJoe

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:33 am
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Recently there was an article about shifting into neutral at stoplights
saving gas. I tried it but not enough yet to go through a tank of gas in my
Astro. I did notice that the oil pressure dropped in neutral indicating
that the rpm dropped. To me that would equate to less fuel being pumped in
in neutral
"BigIronRam" wrote in message

>
> "David" wrote in message

> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:32:11 -0700, PerfectReign
> > wrote:
> >
> >>David turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Your 6.0 Vortec will use slightly less fuel at idle than your 6.6 L
> >>>>Duramax, obviously.
> >>>
> >>> You've never seen someone drive two vehicles at once? Its astounding!
> >>
> >>Need to watch bullit again...
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I know the Duramax has a larger displacement, but I thought the
> >>> Duramax would have less fuel usage at idle because its a diesel & the
> >>> Vortec is a gas engine. The Duramax does get nearly twice the
> >>> miles/gallon that the Vortec does under similar conditions when being
> >>> driven.
> >>
> >>
> >>Having done a ton of research on diesels - and wanting a duramax (or
even
> >>the future mini-duramax 4.5L) in my Avalanche - I know that the
difference
> >>comes from a few factors. (I'm seriously considering buying a used
> >>Mercedes 300d or 300sd for commuting purposes.)
> >>
> >>First, diesel fuel has more energy per volume than does gas. (At least
it
> >>did before ULSD fuel.) Therefore you need less of it to create the same
> >>amount of torque to push your cylinders up and down.
> >>
> >>Second, because the torque curve is lower, you need less RPMs to move
the
> >>vehicle forward than you would with gas.
> >>
> >>However, at idle, I don't know if there is any difference.
> >
> > I have not noticed a significant drop in mpg since ULSD fuel appeared
> > on the market.
> >
> > I don't know for sure what idle fuel usage is. I have heard rumors
> > that Class 8 trucks (big over the road rigs) will burn a couple of
> > gallons idling overnight. I have no idea if this is true or not.
> >
> > The original reason for my post was to find out if there are any
> > reasearch studies, surveys, etc. that document idling fuel usage. This
> > information might come from the feds, from vehicle manufacturers,
> > private individuals, etc.
> >
> > I would like to know if anyone has any verifiable idling uysage info
> > or knows where I might find it?
>
> I have Cummins and have had a Cat. The small "B" series (5.9l) Cummins
and
> the Cat 3126 (7.2l) each used around 3 gallons per night of idling,
> confirmed by evening and morning fillups. Diesels idle at about an 80:1
> air/fuel ratio. Gas engines 12:1? I did idle a 350 Chevy van overnight
and
> noticed the gauge dropped from 1/4 tank to below empty, never tried that
> again.
>
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